Asumsi with Cania Citta - IS INDONESIA PARTIALLY OR FULLY DEMOCRATIC?

This is the first Asumsi's special edition in English. Pangeran Siahaan and Cania Citta Irlanie joined forces discussing Indonesia's democracy in comparison with other Southeast Asian nations.
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Ini adalah video spesial Asumsi, pertama kali dalam bahasa Inggris. Pangeran Siahaan & Cania Citta Irlanie berkolaborasi membahas perbandingan demokrasi Indonesia dengan negara-negara di Asia Tenggara.
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  • Frankly, im in the contra what both two people above being discuss ,, particuraly regarding religion disturbance in our democratic running .

    Alauddin ShahihAlauddin Shahih4 bulan yang lalu
  • soundnya kurang gede "pAkE hEaDsEt MaKanYa"

    Gnuga UtamaGnuga Utama7 bulan yang lalu
  • Mampos lo gak bisa hate speech

    dex dipadex dipa7 bulan yang lalu
  • mana nih?? gak ada bule yang komen, cok jacok

    tonggeng nunggingtonggeng nungging9 bulan yang lalu
  • Good talk 👌 but the audio... meh

    Das VeritasDas Veritas10 bulan yang lalu
  • Yang bigot ga ada yg marah karena kaga ngarti bhs.inggris Kan ada subtitle? Gabisa baca. *jkjk

    Raymond ManafRaymond Manaf11 bulan yang lalu
  • OH MY GODDDD SOO GOOODDD YES!!

    Glaive PawGlaive Paw11 bulan yang lalu
  • The main issue with democracy is it is a fluid concept and too many variations across the world. But we can break down its main components such as adopted by The Economist to developed Democracy Index. Yet I would dispute the index’s indicators. But I agree with their conversation that democracy is a means and not an end goal. One country may tweak democracy that fits its cultural and social contexts. On the other hand, democracy in Indonesia is in its inception that was started 1998 and we’re learning. Even an established democratic country, US alike has encountered the deepening political polarization which is a detriment to society. The bigger picture is the downturn of democracy globally as the system fails to fulfill its promises. The rise of populism is warranted.

    whisnu triwibowowhisnu triwibowoTahun Yang lalu
  • The anger of people itself is democracy. They're just defending their ideology. Karna yang anda perangi kemarin adalah inti agama islam, yang dinamakan Ushuludin (you should learn this methodology. Metodologi ushul dan furu). Ya orang orang ga peduli sama konteksmu berbicara waktu itu di ilc. Sekali lo ngeganggu itu, argumen lo ga bakal dibeli. Yang ada cuma dicela yekan. Stop repress your liberal thinking, kita punya adat istiadat yang dipegang juga nilai agama yg dijadikan sandaran. Sebagai saran, jika anda ingin melunturkan nilai agama yg kental di negara ini silakan pelajari dasar pemikiran islam scr komprehensif, minimal klen bisa lah adu argumen. Sekian

    Raden Muhammad HidayatRaden Muhammad HidayatTahun Yang lalu
    • I have to agree that "The anger of the people itself is a form of democracy", but lemme focus on her motive instead. Di ILC, menurut gua, Cania bukan mau melunturkan nilai keberagamaan, tapi mau mensosialisasikan kebebasan beragama itu sendiri. Karena secara tidak langsung, Indonesia itu munafik KALAU kita bilang kita sudah merdeka, tetapi masyarakatnya tidak merdeka (baca: bebas) dalam memilih agama, karena konsep dasar kemerdekaan adalah bebas. Jadi kalau masyarakatnya dilarang untuk tidak beragama atau memilih untuk tidak percaya kepada Tuhan, maka ia sesungguhnya tidak merdeka dalam tingkatan individu.

      YangGangYangGangTahun Yang lalu
  • She is smarter than many indonesian thought, respect

    Fresh TomatoFresh TomatoTahun Yang lalu
  • I like the answer of Cania, and a litle bit of Pange's word about Democratic things are not in a way of healthy growing up in the world like any other else

    Muhammad ilham ansarMuhammad ilham ansarTahun Yang lalu
  • The way u both speak engslih so fluently kinda inspire me👍

    Grenaldi JunivieriGrenaldi JunivieriTahun Yang lalu
  • komennya boleh basa indonesia ga?? wkwkkwkwkw

    kaia alunadakaia alunadaTahun Yang lalu
  • I think why in here the democracy is partial, because in our long history of civilization we never have sort of democracy government, we always have monarchy, from kutai kingdom, singosari, Majapahit, until Mataram, we got democracy just around 70years ago in 1945, so democracy is a pretty new thing for our civilization, and sadly many of our cultural customs didn't match to democracy life for example free speech, human right, etc

    hendro trihatmojohendro trihatmojoTahun Yang lalu
  • maaf kalo view nya ga bisa sebanyak prank bh di mobil. tapi kualitas pembicaraan akan membawa dampak dan ilmu yang positif ke masyarakat sampai kapanpun itu. keep it up :)

    Faiz AzharFaiz AzharTahun Yang lalu
  • It was really good to talk about indonesia, especially about its politics/democracy/ anything related to those kind of things, with english, so that foreigner can understand, and be more easily accessible, good for it! Probably Pangeran Siahaan has to add more and more channels with english (also with the open-minded, young spirited, and attractive, such as cania irlanie for example), so interesting and educative, at least for me. thank you.

    Sevi Tyas Murti VinastyaSevi Tyas Murti VinastyaTahun Yang lalu
  • You guys didn't mention the power relations affects our democracy. How capitalism works and brought the crisis. I hope you can see that way.

    tutorial tutorialtutorial tutorialTahun Yang lalu
  • orang kuat adalah orang yg bisa nonton ini tanpa subtitile

    Yasya IndraYasya IndraTahun Yang lalu
  • saya suka cania

    Putut Ari SetiawanPutut Ari SetiawanTahun Yang lalu
  • Good and informative video but the sound is a bit off, and music is too loud.

    Mazeeno HAMazeeno HATahun Yang lalu
  • Demonic Woman, Die motherfuckers

    Habibi SegopadangHabibi SegopadangTahun Yang lalu
  • cania with love

    jonbudijonbudiTahun Yang lalu
  • I think you are cania who misconception here, i dont need full video to understand you where the topic end.

    Muhammad YafitsMuhammad YafitsTahun Yang lalu
  • pertanyaan saya apakah demokrasi itu tujuan atau alat sih sebenarnya? demokrasi menurut saya sangat overrated. Kita luput membahas penegakan hukum dan keadilan...

    Ade klr4Ade klr4Tahun Yang lalu
  • well made

    Norton GartinoNorton GartinoTahun Yang lalu
  • my stomach ache

    Rizzqi HarahapRizzqi HarahapTahun Yang lalu
  • closed captions-nya ganggu banget

    Didin HrdDidin HrdTahun Yang lalu
  • viewernya lebih sedikit dari yang berbahasa indonesia penjelasan ini hanya untuk kaum intelektual . sayang aja yg awam malas membaca

    Bubur KecapBubur KecapTahun Yang lalu
  • bikin lagi donk. biar inggris gw kepake.

    marvelfuondationmarvelfuondationTahun Yang lalu
  • Barudak sunda like na manaa euy

    Fajar SFajar STahun Yang lalu
  • Democracy and socialism is conservative in a disguise hahaha they are same in a way of controlling the masses.. because often the one who is in charge of ''media" they can make people bow by their rules.. so the best way? only indian native system was the true democracy with the limited of potentials to rule with the iron hands which is called Iroquois confederacy .. look it up.. its very complex yet effective.. and it can be implemented and has same ideology with pancasila..

    Mee` pawMee` pawTahun Yang lalu
  • <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="650">10:50</a> If Indonesia had a lot more people like you guys, I think it would happen faster. I agree that culture, ideology, conception, paradigm, etc. are not easy to change, but remember that there are some ways to easily deal with it. Schools in Indonesia should not teach its pupils based on absolutism of culture, faith, etc. However, people are free to choose their faith to lead the lives they have reason to value, but it doesn't mean that everybody should have the same faith or conception. Indonesian people need more public democratic discussions to understand each others' ideology. Everybody has the right to express what they believe, and at the same time everybody has the right to choose.

    Ang Nasution - IDAng Nasution - IDTahun Yang lalu
  • Orng indo koq gk bngga pkai bhs ina..parahhhh...kontennya milik orang indo tpi diskusi pkai bhs inggriss....oahhh

    glpromozar 29glpromozar 29Tahun Yang lalu
  • Yup, demokrasi di Indonesia lebih baik dibanding negara2 tetangga. Rakyatnya aja yg kadang kurang bisa berfikir mendalam dan mudah terprovokasi

    Envy YouEnvy YouTahun Yang lalu
  • Indonesia is indeed the most democratic nation in the south east Asia, however also with the most NOT ready mass of people for democratic nation in the south is Asia. Is just like a classroom that have 10 students, when they are voting for something very crucial for the sake and wellbeing of the whole class, if 8 out of those 10 students are uneducated dumb and not yet civilized as a society, and the rest 2 is a holy saint and Professor who have 5 noble peace prices, still the whole classroom will be doomed due to the democratic system of the class of a society of dumb majority. In summary, democracy in Indonesia at the present moment somehow is not a true democracy but simply a ‘MOB RULES’

    Indonesian Tactical Channel 2Indonesian Tactical Channel 2Tahun Yang lalu
  • Good we need more opinion from other country.

    richard chandrarichard chandraTahun Yang lalu
  • Menit 03.31 .. Menurut saya enggak semua orang bisa menanggapi dengan baik (lewat teori tandingan) terhadap opini Cania atau Rocky Gerung di ILC beberapa waktu lalu. Masyarakat belum siap dengan tone narasi seperti itu. Walhasil sebagian orang akhirnya menanggapinya dengan cacian ataupun kemarahan. Tapi toh reaksi masyarakat dalam bentuk apapun atas narasi tertentu juga bagian dari demokrasi kan. Kalau berbicara tentang demokrasi sepenuhnya, Cania harusnya paham, dikatain anak setan gara-gara bicara di ILC kemarin adalah demokrasi.

    alfanthalfanthTahun Yang lalu
  • I don’t think we are having a great democracy.. Because many of our province still got “religious Rules”.. And also I do believe that we still had double standards towards a religious group( the majority) towards the minority.. Ahok was one of the victims here in modern age..

    Michael JudiantoMichael JudiantoTahun Yang lalu
  • This is a great discussion. I always thought Indonesians are particularly sensitive to the topic of religion like Americans would to race. Anywho, you two had mentioned the importance of education on politics and I think Asumsi has done a great deal of that for people with some knowledge on politics. But, it would be great to further the reach by creating simple, short, infographics videos on basic political terms/ideas and its impact to the nation for those of us who want to catch up or teach the young ones. Hope that idea can help us get ready for 2019! :)

    Joe WtmnJoe WtmnTahun Yang lalu
  • New drinking game, take a shot everytime cania say "you know"

    M. Fatah Adiwicaksono PM. Fatah Adiwicaksono PTahun Yang lalu
    • Lol.

      Nanna IskandarNanna Iskandar2 bulan yang lalu
  • Oramg indonesia itu anti kritik, that's big problem.

    Piglet PawPiglet PawTahun Yang lalu
    • lu doang kali...

      tonggeng nunggingtonggeng nungging9 bulan yang lalu
  • Minum buat cania mana yah?

    Muhammad IkbalMuhammad IkbalTahun Yang lalu
  • cuma pengen tanya, kenapa konten asumsi ini harus menggunakan bahasa inggris ? ** bukan netijen anti bahasa inggris kok gw ** haha. tapi seru kok bahasannya dan banyak setuju juga sama point point yang kalian sebutkan.

    DaysAfter24DaysAfter24Tahun Yang lalu
    • Sekalian belajar mas, ayo semakin keluar dari cangkang masing masing. Semangat!

      Ahmad Hizam FajriAhmad Hizam FajriTahun Yang lalu
    • kan ada teks terjemahan itu di bawah

      Adi Primanda GintingAdi Primanda GintingTahun Yang lalu
    • wkwkwk belajar dong ah internet skrng gampang di akses

      Mee` pawMee` pawTahun Yang lalu
    • dijelasin kok di video

      Doni ronandionoDoni ronandionoTahun Yang lalu
  • suaranya cania berasa jauh sekali, sedangkan yang cowok terlalu keras. Pengen nonton jadi males, suaranya cania kecil sekali :(

    sintya tifanisintya tifaniTahun Yang lalu
  • p. siahaan . gua suka tulisan lo yg ''tmpat itu brnama hillside'' men!! hehe

    Gue ImemGue ImemTahun Yang lalu
  • Ekstrimis komen pada sepi, ga seru 😂

    baskara putrabaskara putraTahun Yang lalu
  • Mas, besok pakai basa jawa krama inggil, yak.. saya tunggu. :D

    LAB videosLAB videosTahun Yang lalu
  • sayangnya MTV Indo udh ga ada 😔

    Herodion SimorangkirHerodion SimorangkirTahun Yang lalu
  • kenapa harus demokrasi sempurna? kenapa coba? analogi sederhana nya, desain arsitektur minimalis ketika dibangun di indonesia pun haruss dimodifikasi supaya bisa beradaptasi dengan iklim tropis indonesia. begitupun demokrasi... justru kalo sempurna demokrasi liberal, itu malah gak sempurna buat indonesia mbak cania

    Angga SetaAngga SetaTahun Yang lalu
  • Kalau masalah Pilkada DKI masyarakat kita cuma relijius, kalau cuma relijius ya nggak sampe teriak bunuh, gantung, jangan sholatkan pendukung penista agama.

    andy wijayaandy wijayaTahun Yang lalu
  • Learn english and politic at the same time. I'd like to watch more video like this.

    bangkit nugrohobangkit nugrohoTahun Yang lalu
    • bangkit nugroho sama

      Fresh TomatoFresh TomatoTahun Yang lalu
  • loving the optimist vibe here. such a good start!

    gea cittagea cittaTahun Yang lalu
  • I think u should make the content more about political theory content too. Like democracy is the best among the worst inside many political system. And for me, democracy contain paradoxes. Example, in fully democratic system, u can see the anti-democracy (ex : HT*) movement create a party, and win the election to destroy the democracy. So my opinion is, fully democracy (or maybe lib-democracy) contain self-destruction in their system, then it means we should own our intrepretation in democracy, and of course we already have it in our philosophice grondslag, Pancasila. So the indicator of our democracy should be base on our people, like how Soekarno create Socio-Democracy in one of Trisila principles, that Political Democracy would be disaster if we not bring Economic Democracy on the same time.

    Rafi HidayatRafi HidayatTahun Yang lalu
    • True, what happened to HTI was correct, just like what happened to another party in past

      Adi Primanda GintingAdi Primanda GintingTahun Yang lalu
  • imho, kok rada ganggu ya klo suaranya di pisah gini, I know maksudnya sih mungkin bagus, biar berasa, tapi jangan bener bener mic 1 masuk kanan mic 2 masuk kiri, tetep ada suara mic 1 di kiri walau kecil, buat ambience, jadi walau maksudnya bagus tapi malah jadi ngga natural.

    sickelevrasickelevraTahun Yang lalu
  • Mantep nih kalo konsisten pake edisi inggris, biar berasa kuliah 2 sks

    Rega AdityaRega AdityaTahun Yang lalu
  • Perasaan gue doang atau memang audio di video ini kualitasnya kelas banget? Terdengar lebih baik lah daripada di video² asumsi sebelumnya. Mantaps!

    m syahrezam syahrezaTahun Yang lalu
  • Well, maybe we are better than Singapore or Malaysia in procedural democracy. But we should realize that there's procedural and substantial democracy. Maybe you guys should discuss about procedural and substantial democracy.

    Giovanni DewanggaGiovanni DewanggaTahun Yang lalu
  • Very poor audio quality

    Farhan DzikriFarhan DzikriTahun Yang lalu
  • Tuku Coffee

    Jefry SanjayaJefry SanjayaTahun Yang lalu
  • Pembahasan yang menarik menurut gue, karena, yup, jika melihat dari dalam Indonesia emang gak demokrasi banget. But as Mas Pangeran always said, we are on the right track. We're not perfect democracy but we're on the right track. Gue juga setuju sama Cania kalo Pilkada DKI kemarin bisa dipandang bukan sebagai kemenangan kelompok ekstrimis/fundamentalis tapi bisa dilihat sebagai relijiusnya masyarakat kita. Heuheu. Semangat buat Asumsi. Great video as well!

    akbar farhataniakbar farhataniTahun Yang lalu
  • Good to see you guys. Can't wait to see Pangeran on Geotimes. By the way, I'd like to ask something. How's the relationship with education, rational choice and democracry especially in Indonesia ? Since Cania have said that Indonesia's partially Democracy (and I strongly agree with it), how could we fix it? On the other hand, College should be spread the idea of democracy and from this College is a place for people to share, discussing or even debating Ideas but most of them the students have locked their mind to respect others ideas. I still don't understand how's FMIPA (most of them ya) who totally learning about science haven't got the scepticism in their mind and then join the conservatism muslim association and the worse that place often be a great place in conservative muslim ideas that deny the democracy ? And the worst they used democracy to speech their ideas and said democracy is the only thing we can blame for all troubles that has happened in Indonesia. In other words they mean to say, Democracy is "Thogut" and they give the one and only solution, and that's "khilafah". Well, it's happened in my college. It's crazy you know, using democracy tools to share their hatespeech about democracy. And we also have to tolerance with this kind of people. And in the end, how could we get the a good leader when people or even educated people prefer used their conservative thinking instead of rational choice. And the debate between the candidate election become unhealthy. In other words, who's the most "islami" among them ? Anyways keep up the good work on this yaaa.. :)

    Aris CaesarAris CaesarTahun Yang lalu
    • Aris Caesar Yes. Yes. Oh, no. No problem. Yes, of course not.

      LAB videosLAB videosTahun Yang lalu
  • bang please, improve audionya.

    Aditya FauziyantoAditya FauziyantoTahun Yang lalu
  • Yassssh!!!!

    tyas kinantyas kinanTahun Yang lalu
  • Banyakin kyk gini mantap

    Gilang A LGilang A LTahun Yang lalu
  • mic cania kurang keras, terus itu botol minuman bekas ngalangin wkwkw,, jadi aus lagi puasa

    Sapta MikaelasonSapta MikaelasonTahun Yang lalu
  • Yeah, we have a problem to respect the difference. Difference isn't a bad things. I still don't get it, why people with different opinion & idea can be categorized as a bad things. Difference makes us as a human being. That makes us don't look like a robot. All of us have a different idea & opinion. Difference is a gift from god to make this world being colorful. Rainbow looks beautiful because it has a different color, doesn't it?

    Rendy NurpratamaRendy NurpratamaTahun Yang lalu
  • Great, next collaborate with other from SEA, and talking about politics in each own country. ;)

    Budi SetiawanBudi SetiawanTahun Yang lalu
  • Radicalism is not yet has direct effect on our daily lives, yes, but it has reach the point of disrupting healthy political choices, some would call it "politik identitas". For instance i would really consider slower economic growth or foreign debt issues, but as the opposition has lots of hardline religious group behind them, there is no way i would support them, even i couldn't criticize the govt freely, as it would mean feeding those hardline "ammunition" as well, and this is the dilemma of rocky gerung btw. The vibe of politik identitas is keep getting worse, now there is like some kind of unseen dividement inside societies of "muslim and poor" vs "non-muslim/chinese and rich". This dividement is real and potentially lead to horizontal conflict. Forgive my word, but to say we should just keep relax watching these radicalist spreading false news everyday is a form of ignorance, hence vito said, "woman and children can be careless, but not men'. Lol

    ngepetlahngepetlahTahun Yang lalu
  • Suaranya Cania kecil banget nge, micnya keknya perlu dicek ulang sebelom take gambar..it’s a good discussion and you guys should work together more. Good analysis guys. I think we should have more discussions like this. Congrats! Some additional notes to advance our understanding about democracy: 1. Set a working definition of democracy, minimalist definition, i.e. Dahlian democracy? Liberal democracy?; 2. define your units of analysis, Indonesia’s democracy can be super robust at the national-level, but could be more “authoritarian” at the subnational level; 3. We should move beyond “tangible” power of anti-democratic forces, i.e., we should acknowledge that the anti-democratic forces are real, both at the state and society level. It requires us to also pay attention to the power of symbols and discourse. 4. I think we should move beyond the debate whether Indonesia is a fully or partially democratic country. I think we should pay attention to what are the variables that could undermine political competitiveness and inclusiveness in our political system; and, again, be neat with our units of analysis (national-subnational) and how the two interact and shape our political system as we are seeing today; 5. Finally, yes, comparatively we’re better than our neighbors. However, SG and Thai can have a more responsive and effective government despite repeated coups (Thai) and lower democratic index. The puzzle, then, how can we make a more responsive government, both at the local and national levels? Having a democratic system is one thing, but ensuring people’s satisfaction over the existing system is another problem (and don’t get me wrong, I agree with y’all that we have a robust democracy at the national level). Because you guys call this channel “Asumsi,” then, I think it’s a good opportunity for you guys to critically discuss some underlying assumptions of democracy and its relations to various socio, political, and economic outcomes. Nevertheless, you guys did a great job and I believe that this is just a beginning of a more systematic and critical analysis on Indonesia’s politics. I fully support you guys! Keep on going!

    Yoes C. KenawasYoes C. KenawasTahun Yang lalu
    • I agree😆

      aidil mubarockaidil mubarockTahun Yang lalu
    • mic-nya diselipin di kerah baju, sementara kerah bajunya terlalu bawah hehe

      Nerd RobotNerd RobotTahun Yang lalu
  • Great vid and content but I'll disagree with Cania on one point: the fact that an Islamic-leaning party has not won an election to date is not a fair indicator of Indonesians' religiosity/conservativeness (or lack thereof). I once read an article written by Shadi Hamid, a researcher, which states that sharia by-laws are consistently being produced by elected officials from outwardly nationalist parties such as Golkar or Demokrat in more conservative parts of the country. So there isn't a particular need for conservative Indonesians to vote for outwardly Islamic-leaning parties in the first place. Hence -- the whole narrative between the relationship of Islamic-leaning parties, nationalist parties and their respective constituents in Indonesia is totally different to the narrative in other Muslim-majority (flawed) democracies like Turkey or Egypt. EDIT: link to said article -- www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2016/07/07/whats-different-about-islam-in-malaysia-and-indonesia/

    Nararya SumarsonoNararya SumarsonoTahun Yang lalu
  • pake bahasa londo toh.. oaalaahh..

    ronaldo pangzronaldo pangzTahun Yang lalu
  • Kata siapa kita dalam kondisi sehat? 1.Saat ini banyak Perda syariah yg diterapkan di daerah! 2.Teroris yg sekarg terjadi ada banyak pembelaan tentunya kita bisa bilang sah saja perbedaan pendapat tapi bukan untuk membela aksi terorisnya. 3. Indonesia kurang sehat. Ditandai oleh cerminan Indonesia yaitu Jakarta dimenangkan oleh kaum konservatif dengan cara yg janggal

    Rian EdiRian EdiTahun Yang lalu
    • Rian Edi betul, sikap seperti itu harus saya tiru

      richard chandrarichard chandraTahun Yang lalu
    • richard chandra saya hidup berdampingan saya tidak harus terus memntingkan kepentingan sendiri/kelompok.

      Rian EdiRian EdiTahun Yang lalu
    • Rian Edi betul sekali pak. Makanya tugas kita untuk memilih wakil rakyat yg mewakili kita. Kalo bs jangan golput hehehe. Bilamana yg terpilih tidak mewakili kita, ya sudahlah, kita kerja aja yg bener aja memperkaya diri hahaha

      richard chandrarichard chandraTahun Yang lalu
    • richard chandra Dgn begitu kita bisa nilai para pembuat aturan hanya memntingkan kelompoknya bukan masyarakatnya.

      Rian EdiRian EdiTahun Yang lalu
    • Rian Edi saya juga setuju, radikal boleh tapi jangan ekstrim sy rasa. Yang kasian keluarganya ya kena malu. Padahal ga semua orang tua mau anaknya jadi teroris

      richard chandrarichard chandraTahun Yang lalu
  • I have lived in Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore. Yeah Indonesia is better. Not perfect, but better.

    Langit BiruLangit BiruTahun Yang lalu
  • This is the first time that I couldn't understand how Cania ended up with the conclusion that "we" are just a religious society to the extent that religion would be very sensitive if one religion or scripture is mocked or negatively represented since the level of religiosity of a community within one region would be very different to one and another. For instance, South Jakarta is more secular than its neighbour, Depok. In the other hand, there is no single objective measurement to say one society is religious or the otherwise. I couldn't disagree that we are a partially democratic society, but I beg to differ with the dichotomy of conservatism and secular society since one can have a very secular view of public policy yet a very conservative view on community. Overall, it is an entertaining video to watch.

    Vincent RicardoVincent RicardoTahun Yang lalu
    • Direct rebuttal...ea...👍

      Rend YudhRend YudhTahun Yang lalu
    • I must say I agree with the gentleman.

      Norton GartinoNorton GartinoTahun Yang lalu
    • Vincent Ricardo thanks for adding some interesting points there! 👍

      Cania Citta IrlanieCania Citta IrlanieTahun Yang lalu
  • Keep it up with english! 👍

    Abid A. AdonisAbid A. AdonisTahun Yang lalu
  • idk, its kind of naive to say the raise of conservativism are not something to be afraid of. because you know, you already say the point of how our people didnt really understand and even afraid on how democracy worked. and that escalates lot of things. you might saw a lot of more moderate muslim collagues arround you. but still, they're scattered, unorganized minds that might not care (or should i say not affecting) of most of less-educated people on indonesia. while i still agreed that we still do the the democracy just fine. the conservatives are well-funded, well-organized, and started to taking over the scene on indonesian popular culture. (when the number of people are still the massive point on democracy here) sure, i know (religious) conservativism is not the same as radicalism. but as far as i could see, most of them are disregarded the democracy, or at least they're the one whose spreading the misconception of it (by demokrasi kebablasan and so on), and lots of them are not afraid of declaring that they (might) lean on radicalism ideas. and about islamic political parties never won the election*. well, the nationalists are gaining their popularity by leaning onto the islamic conservative popularism. PAN, PKB, are originaly not islamic political parties (as opposing to PPP or PBB), but their leader is religious figure. or on later days Gerindra is the grassroots party (as they were leaning to petani and buruh on their publication) but lean themselves to islamism nowadays. so, its kind of not relevant to segmented our political parties that way (edited) *that point is actually right, golkar, PDIP, demokrat are the winners of recent election, which is more nationalist rather than islamist, i corrected myself there. but i keep it on the comment because i still think i still made some point in it.

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    • @Hafiz Gema Takbir Akbar , it would be kind of you to be able to share your knowledge by explaining what conservativism u mean here and who represent it also how do you know is raising now, not to forget who support fund for it as you also mentioned. your knowledge sharing would be highly appreciated

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    • Ariel Santiago yeah. Of course its against pancasila. But the proses to be an islamic state is not against democrazy (if the majority of people want an islamic state). Its freedom of choice to choose islamic state. Isnt right?

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    • Rofid Rahmadi islamic state/Sharia country is against Pancasila , and if that happens indonesia surely will lose some provinces , Pancasila is our final Constitution

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    • if the majority of muslim people in indonesia want this nation to be an islamic state, i think thats the part of democracy. because they said earlier, democracy is a goverment by the people. if people want it to be islamic nation, why not.? soo.. never blame muslim who want to become islamic state, because it is part of democracy. they have an right to do that.

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    • :3

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  • More of this kind of video. Pleaseee

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  • Kalo subtitlenya pake cc kayaknya lebih enak, agak ganggu kalo buat yg mau nonton pake bahasa Inggris doang

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    • pada marah2, giliran kebalikan nya kok bahasa inggris gak ada subtitle bahasa indonesia nya dibelain

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    • WE LEARN ENGLISH ON THE INTERNET BITCH!

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    • Kayaknya kalian yg marah2 deh yg temennya dikit. Beda opini aja ngegas. Gw ga ngerasa terganggu sm sekali sama subtitle-nya tp klo org lain keganggu dan mau kasih saran utk ngubah itu ya sudah

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    • Luqman lol you're so funny

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    • Saya memakai bahasa Inggris maka opini saya hebat

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  • phuket pengucapannya phu-ket bukan fuket, seoul pengucapannya soul bukan see-ooul, jakarta pengucapannya ya jakarta bukan jekarda btw banyakin lagi konten asumsi dengan tamu

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  • duhh mba cania

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